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feministing.com home about contact donate advertise 14 Feb 2001 09:00:00 UTC-0400 Be a career feminist... Search Idealist job listings in Women's Issues State Issues Education Health International Issues Violence Against Women Reproductive Rights and Health Sex Work and the Economy December 2005 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Archive December 2005 November 2005 October 2005 September 2005 August 2005 July 2005 June 2005 May 2005 April 2005 March 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 November 2004 October 2004 September 2004 August 2004 July 2004 June 2004 May 2004 April 2004 March 01, 2005 Pimp My Ride contest fixes women A Texas radio station, KDGE-FM (The Edge) has taken the fucking cake on gross misogynist behavior. You know the MTV show Pimp My Ride where you get your broken down car all fixed up? Now switch the car for a woman and you have an idea of what this contest is about. Yes, Im serious. Similar to the story Vanessa reported on back in December about Clear Channels The Breast Christmas Ever, this (Clear Channel-owned) station is giving away extensive plastic surgery to the winner. Check out some of the lovely language from the contest website: Our top 10 finalists include a mother of 3, a bride hoping to fill out her wedding dress, a girl who used to be hot, and one whos been wishing for bigger tits! Vote for your favorite!!!! And dont you just love their artwork? A Feministing reader let me know about this, and shes been diligently trying to get the station to stop the contest. She hasnt had much luck. But she was able to get the Program Directors email address: duane@kdge.com . So make sure to let him know how you feel about being pimped. The winner is set to be announced this Friday morning, so theres not any time to waste on this one Posted by Jessica at March 1, 2005 04:24 PM Comments You don't have to tell me twice. But instead of yelling at this dipshit, I tried a different approach: the patented "never make a woman feel bad about sex" argument. Text of my e-mail to the clueless redneck below: "Duane, we have a problem. The problem is this: you have betrayed straight men. I know you think this "pimp my ride" thing is funny, and I'm sure some of your beer buddies and short-sighted listeners are telling you that it is. But in the long run, you are hurting all of us. I'm also sure that lots of women have written to tell you that the contest is offensive, and that you ignore them. That's a mistake. Here's why: Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men. You're pissing in the pool. Did any woman you ever dated ever ask you, "does this make me look fat?" You must know that the answer is always, "no." You may not have thought about why the answer is always "no" beyond the very superficial. The answer, Duane, is that if you make her feel bad about herself, she's going to shut down and stop wanting to get naked and have sex. This contest you are running is telling every woman, everywhere, that they need to be chopped into components and replaced with better parts. You're telling them all that they're not hot, that they do look fat in that dress. You're making them all self-conscious, you're making them all not like themselves. You're making them all uptight and anti-sex. And that doesn't just hurt them. That hurts me. And you. And all straight men. Duane, you're pissing in the pool that all of us swim in. Please stop. Call this stupid thing off. Thomas" Posted by: Thomas at March 1, 2005 04:48 PM Thomas, I think you have a good point, but it does well to remember that the target audience--men between 18 and 21--given the choice between demonstrating their greater social status over women or dating them will usually choose the former. Sad, but true. Posted by: Amanda at March 1, 2005 08:57 PM Not all, mind you, but men that age are still being homo-socialized and, at that age, their desire to show off to friends at the expense of women will often overshadow any other concerns. Posted by: Amanda at March 1, 2005 08:58 PM I kind of like Thomas' take on letter-writing. God knows they're just going to ignore or mock any "feminazi" letters. Posted by: annejumps at March 1, 2005 10:21 PM *sigh* Stupid and disgusting, I agree. Thomas' letter made me chuckle, though; good job on writing a letter that's about as far from "feminazism" as possible while still making your point! Speaking of Texas, my friend posted on her xanga (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Pollymorph) about a particularly ignorant display by the Young Conservatives of Texas going on at UT tomorrow afternoon. I thought a few of you might be interested. Posted by: Ms. Niki at March 1, 2005 11:16 PM Amanda: I hear you. If it was easy to reach these guys, we'd be living in a very different world. I don't expect them to have a social conscience -- that's why I didn't take the "your mothers and sisters" tack. But I do think they can hear enlightened self-interest -- if not the first time, then maybe the tenth. Eventually, maybe they'll seriously consider that the reason women are uptight, shut down, game-playing and unavailable to them is because women can't trust them. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 07:31 AM Perhaps part of the reason this attitude toward women is prevalent is because of certain organiziations attempts to legitimize the porn and sex industry. When they promote porn as legitimate art, and prostitution and stripping as legitimate employment, what did you expect to happen? Once again, a case can be made that the policies of cerain womens rights organizations has backfired. Porn, and the sex industry, has directly led to women being unhappy with their self image. I know, I know, "keep the government out of the bedroom!". The sad truth is, without government restrictions, the pimps, perverts, and those who view woman as objects for sexual use and not as people, would corrupt our society completely. If you don't have big breasts(or a big penis with long lasting erections, viagra)you are not a successful/competitive human being. Lets face it, sex sells. Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 10:54 AM Tfreridge: I oppose more than just the government in the bedrooms. I oppose the repression of sexuality. Now, I have plenty of problems with porn. I don't consume mainstream porn because I don't want women to be economically pressured to surgically alter perfectly good bodies. (That's among other things. I have lots of problems with mainstream porn.) But it's fairly clear where you're going: that you think our society is on a slide to full acceptance of sex for pleasure, promiscuity, BDSM, polyamory, homosexuality and bisexuality, gender-fuck, etc. I am not against that. In fact, that transformation is my mission in life. As to how this negative body image crap affects my master plan for universal sexual liberation, see my letter to Duane. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 11:13 AM I'm sorry Thomas, I disagree with your fundemental assumptions. "Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men." This statement subtly objectifies the "fairer" sex, and reduces them to having only one purpose in this life......to fulfill mens sexual needs. "In fact, that transformation is my mission in life." While having a life mission to make it easier for you to get laid is refreshingly direct, I think it is misguided to believe that sexuality is the end all, be all of human existence. Your statement seems slightly hedonistic to me. I believe that ANY unmoderated activity, taken to extremes, will corrupt us. This includes sex. There are studies now showing that pornography has the similar effects as drug/gambling addictions. "You're making them all uptight and anti-sex." It is a little arrogant to believe that a man can make a huge difference in most womens self-image. Self-image, like many other things, is pretty much defined during childhood and teen years. Over a long time, say 10-20 years, that image can be changed for a man or woman. It seems to me that successful relationships are the ones that are in agreement with each others existing self image. We are like a bunch of Narcisists. It seems to me that in this day and age, society could do with a little sexual restraint. I think our disagreement stems from a difference in world-view and philosophy. Like you said on another post, the world is changing. However, there is neocon backlash in America today, and it stems from the obviously self-destructive results of liberal (baby-boomer 60's,70's,80's) philosphies, taken too far. To fail to recognize a happy medium, or moderate path, is to concede the argument to the opposition in this day and age. Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 12:33 PM Tfreridge: You're right about one thing. We see the world very differently. So differently, in fact, that I see little common ground between us. There are certainly Christian male feminists who think that constraining sexuality is a necessary component of a better world. If you want to see what that view looks like, go find Hugo Schwyzer's blog (maybe on Ampersand's blogroll? or over at Mousewords?) That is not a view I share. Further, talking about sexuality in terms of liberation from restrictive social norms is not something I do to get laid -- though I think that's an effective pitch to non-feminist straight guys. It's much more than that. I believe sexual shame and restriction are core components of partiarchy. I've got a chisel, and I'm taking them apart one day at a time. If you don't agree with my project, that's your right. Stand clear so you don't get hit with flying rock. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 12:56 PM Thomas says, "I believe sexual shame and restriction are core components of partiarchy." I know we are hijacking this thread but I find this a facinating statement. At its heart there are two very different meanings. There is no doubt that oppression in the name of patriarchal religions (muslim, jewish, christian) occurs. They traditionaly only support sex between man and woman married in the church and classify all other behaviors as sin. This DEFINATELY helped contribute to classifying women as second class citizens in the past in the US, and currently in many places around the world. However, there is a subtle misogynist undertone to the statement. You infer that without male oversight, women in general would be promiscuous and without shame in their sexuality and behaviour. The implication being that men are imposing a false morality on women and that somehow a womans sexuality is more "natural" or "free". I think many woman would disagree with you. This is a subtle sexism. Do you think this plastic surgery craze is driven more by competition among women, or by the perception that men will find them more attractive? You may want to watch out for what you dismantle with that chisel........ Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 02:37 PM Wow, I'm actually going to agree with Thomas ... "Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men." ... Seriously, if you're a straight man and don't view women as potential sex partners, you need to have your reflexes if not your pulse checked. Sexuality, next to eating and breathing, is our most primal urge. It becomes sexist when you only view women as potential sex partners or sex objects and nothing else. I personally won't even date a woman unless she is a productive member of society. Just my preference. An example, I have a female friend who is quite attractive and well-endowed. So much so, she causes men to fall over. She never dresses suggestively (she's quite conservative), but she still has this problem with men speaking to her chest and not to her face. I of course quipped in that for the first three years I knew her, I had no clue what she looked like (it was a joke). It's a natural thing for guys to notice these things. If we didn't, the population would plummet. I asked her if she thought I never noticed. She replied she had never thought about it because I treat her with respect and I don't lear. I expect a hell of a lot more out of a woman than a nice butt or great boobs. Please be able to carry a conversation. Please have your own opinions. Please don't bow to me. It's insulting to yourself and to me. My God, most of the women I am attracted to are feminists and they can't stand me because of some of my more conservative views. Now, as for this contest, big deal. I find it ironic that "choice" is such a buzz word in feminist circles, but when a woman "chooses" to take part in something like this contest that is viewed as sexist (and it is), they find themselves in violation of feminist dogma. Does it objectify and promote unreal expectations of women? YES!!! But if a woman doesn't have the sense of self worth to realize she is a beautiful person for who she is, that's her issue. I have only been adding messages to this forum for a short time, but I would say it is filled with women who are sure of themselves and have healthy levels of confidence. Not everyone is like that. While I don't think that women should ever have plastic surgery, to some of them changing things about themselves to more closely fit the perceived ideal and attract a mate is important. Likewise, I know plenty of men who compromise their lives and beliefs to attract a female mate. Hell, I've known guys who have feigned their interest in the feminist cause to get a woman. I think it's all stupid, but I understand why they do it. Posted by: Shawn at March 2, 2005 03:38 PM Tfreridge: I want to free women from patriarchal rules about how they use their sexuality. A bunch of constraints that call women sluts and sinners for sexual exploration are, in my view, the kind of patriarchal rules I'm aiming at. What women do with more freedom is not my call to make. Some may be celibate, some may choose to be much more active than our society accepts, and most will likely find a comfort level in between. My gut tells me that women, given the choice, will have on the aggregate more partner sex if they are free of social opprobrium. If I'm wrong, that's okay too. I reject out of hand the notion that it is sexist or misogynist to speculate that, free of the social construct of "slut," women will want, and will have, more partner sex. You said this: "You infer that without male oversight, women in general would be promiscuous and without shame in their sexuality and behaviour." I think this is the crux of the diagreement. You conclude, as I understand you, that freed from patriarchy, women should not be "promiscuous and without shame." But on my account, the absence of patriarchy means _by_definition_ that women would be "without shame" in their sexuality, whether they choose no partners, one partner or many. The assumption explicit in your comment is that there is something to be ashamed of in one's sexual conduct, that shame has a proper place. I don't think shame has a proper place in sex. I think that adults ought to be free to choose any sexual partners they want, without shame. I focus on women's sexuality because there's a lot more social constraint on it than on men's. Look, obviously, you have some idea of what sexual morality looks like outside of patriarchy -- of what women "should" and "shouldn't" do. What is it? Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 04:01 PM "I want to free women from patriarchal rules about how they use their sexuality." My hero! Posted by: stephen at March 4, 2005 03:44 AM Contests like this will exist as long as... women are willing to participate in them. If they got ne responses, it would all be over pretty quick. Patriachal rules? How about greed? Being willing to make a spectacle of yourself to get a free boob job? Posted by: crella at March 7, 2005 07:36 PM Post a comment Thanks for signing in, .Now you can comment. 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feministing.com home about contact donate advertise 14 Feb 2001 09:00:00 UTC-0400 Be a career feminist... Search Idealist job listings in Women's Issues State Issues Education Health International Issues Violence Against Women Reproductive Rights and Health Sex Work and the Economy December 2005 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Archive December 2005 November 2005 October 2005 September 2005 August 2005 July 2005 June 2005 May 2005 April 2005 March 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 November 2004 October 2004 September 2004 August 2004 July 2004 June 2004 May 2004 April 2004 March 01, 2005 Pimp My Ride contest fixes women A Texas radio station, KDGE-FM (The Edge) has taken the fucking cake on gross misogynist behavior. You know the MTV show Pimp My Ride where you get your broken down car all fixed up? Now switch the car for a woman and you have an idea of what this contest is about. Yes, Im serious. Similar to the story Vanessa reported on back in December about Clear Channels The Breast Christmas Ever, this (Clear Channel-owned) station is giving away extensive plastic surgery to the winner. Check out some of the lovely language from the contest website: Our top 10 finalists include a mother of 3, a bride hoping to fill out her wedding dress, a girl who used to be hot, and one whos been wishing for bigger tits! Vote for your favorite!!!! And dont you just love their artwork? A Feministing reader let me know about this, and shes been diligently trying to get the station to stop the contest. She hasnt had much luck. But she was able to get the Program Directors email address: duane@kdge.com . So make sure to let him know how you feel about being pimped. The winner is set to be announced this Friday morning, so theres not any time to waste on this one Posted by Jessica at March 1, 2005 04:24 PM Comments You don't have to tell me twice. But instead of yelling at this dipshit, I tried a different approach: the patented "never make a woman feel bad about sex" argument. Text of my e-mail to the clueless redneck below: "Duane, we have a problem. The problem is this: you have betrayed straight men. I know you think this "pimp my ride" thing is funny, and I'm sure some of your beer buddies and short-sighted listeners are telling you that it is. But in the long run, you are hurting all of us. I'm also sure that lots of women have written to tell you that the contest is offensive, and that you ignore them. That's a mistake. Here's why: Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men. You're pissing in the pool. Did any woman you ever dated ever ask you, "does this make me look fat?" You must know that the answer is always, "no." You may not have thought about why the answer is always "no" beyond the very superficial. The answer, Duane, is that if you make her feel bad about herself, she's going to shut down and stop wanting to get naked and have sex. This contest you are running is telling every woman, everywhere, that they need to be chopped into components and replaced with better parts. You're telling them all that they're not hot, that they do look fat in that dress. You're making them all self-conscious, you're making them all not like themselves. You're making them all uptight and anti-sex. And that doesn't just hurt them. That hurts me. And you. And all straight men. Duane, you're pissing in the pool that all of us swim in. Please stop. Call this stupid thing off. Thomas" Posted by: Thomas at March 1, 2005 04:48 PM Thomas, I think you have a good point, but it does well to remember that the target audience--men between 18 and 21--given the choice between demonstrating their greater social status over women or dating them will usually choose the former. Sad, but true. Posted by: Amanda at March 1, 2005 08:57 PM Not all, mind you, but men that age are still being homo-socialized and, at that age, their desire to show off to friends at the expense of women will often overshadow any other concerns. Posted by: Amanda at March 1, 2005 08:58 PM I kind of like Thomas' take on letter-writing. God knows they're just going to ignore or mock any "feminazi" letters. Posted by: annejumps at March 1, 2005 10:21 PM *sigh* Stupid and disgusting, I agree. Thomas' letter made me chuckle, though; good job on writing a letter that's about as far from "feminazism" as possible while still making your point! Speaking of Texas, my friend posted on her xanga (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Pollymorph) about a particularly ignorant display by the Young Conservatives of Texas going on at UT tomorrow afternoon. I thought a few of you might be interested. Posted by: Ms. Niki at March 1, 2005 11:16 PM Amanda: I hear you. If it was easy to reach these guys, we'd be living in a very different world. I don't expect them to have a social conscience -- that's why I didn't take the "your mothers and sisters" tack. But I do think they can hear enlightened self-interest -- if not the first time, then maybe the tenth. Eventually, maybe they'll seriously consider that the reason women are uptight, shut down, game-playing and unavailable to them is because women can't trust them. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 07:31 AM Perhaps part of the reason this attitude toward women is prevalent is because of certain organiziations attempts to legitimize the porn and sex industry. When they promote porn as legitimate art, and prostitution and stripping as legitimate employment, what did you expect to happen? Once again, a case can be made that the policies of cerain womens rights organizations has backfired. Porn, and the sex industry, has directly led to women being unhappy with their self image. I know, I know, "keep the government out of the bedroom!". The sad truth is, without government restrictions, the pimps, perverts, and those who view woman as objects for sexual use and not as people, would corrupt our society completely. If you don't have big breasts(or a big penis with long lasting erections, viagra)you are not a successful/competitive human being. Lets face it, sex sells. Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 10:54 AM Tfreridge: I oppose more than just the government in the bedrooms. I oppose the repression of sexuality. Now, I have plenty of problems with porn. I don't consume mainstream porn because I don't want women to be economically pressured to surgically alter perfectly good bodies. (That's among other things. I have lots of problems with mainstream porn.) But it's fairly clear where you're going: that you think our society is on a slide to full acceptance of sex for pleasure, promiscuity, BDSM, polyamory, homosexuality and bisexuality, gender-fuck, etc. I am not against that. In fact, that transformation is my mission in life. As to how this negative body image crap affects my master plan for universal sexual liberation, see my letter to Duane. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 11:13 AM I'm sorry Thomas, I disagree with your fundemental assumptions. "Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men." This statement subtly objectifies the "fairer" sex, and reduces them to having only one purpose in this life......to fulfill mens sexual needs. "In fact, that transformation is my mission in life." While having a life mission to make it easier for you to get laid is refreshingly direct, I think it is misguided to believe that sexuality is the end all, be all of human existence. Your statement seems slightly hedonistic to me. I believe that ANY unmoderated activity, taken to extremes, will corrupt us. This includes sex. There are studies now showing that pornography has the similar effects as drug/gambling addictions. "You're making them all uptight and anti-sex." It is a little arrogant to believe that a man can make a huge difference in most womens self-image. Self-image, like many other things, is pretty much defined during childhood and teen years. Over a long time, say 10-20 years, that image can be changed for a man or woman. It seems to me that successful relationships are the ones that are in agreement with each others existing self image. We are like a bunch of Narcisists. It seems to me that in this day and age, society could do with a little sexual restraint. I think our disagreement stems from a difference in world-view and philosophy. Like you said on another post, the world is changing. However, there is neocon backlash in America today, and it stems from the obviously self-destructive results of liberal (baby-boomer 60's,70's,80's) philosphies, taken too far. To fail to recognize a happy medium, or moderate path, is to concede the argument to the opposition in this day and age. Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 12:33 PM Tfreridge: You're right about one thing. We see the world very differently. So differently, in fact, that I see little common ground between us. There are certainly Christian male feminists who think that constraining sexuality is a necessary component of a better world. If you want to see what that view looks like, go find Hugo Schwyzer's blog (maybe on Ampersand's blogroll? or over at Mousewords?) That is not a view I share. Further, talking about sexuality in terms of liberation from restrictive social norms is not something I do to get laid -- though I think that's an effective pitch to non-feminist straight guys. It's much more than that. I believe sexual shame and restriction are core components of partiarchy. I've got a chisel, and I'm taking them apart one day at a time. If you don't agree with my project, that's your right. Stand clear so you don't get hit with flying rock. Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 12:56 PM Thomas says, "I believe sexual shame and restriction are core components of partiarchy." I know we are hijacking this thread but I find this a facinating statement. At its heart there are two very different meanings. There is no doubt that oppression in the name of patriarchal religions (muslim, jewish, christian) occurs. They traditionaly only support sex between man and woman married in the church and classify all other behaviors as sin. This DEFINATELY helped contribute to classifying women as second class citizens in the past in the US, and currently in many places around the world. However, there is a subtle misogynist undertone to the statement. You infer that without male oversight, women in general would be promiscuous and without shame in their sexuality and behaviour. The implication being that men are imposing a false morality on women and that somehow a womans sexuality is more "natural" or "free". I think many woman would disagree with you. This is a subtle sexism. Do you think this plastic surgery craze is driven more by competition among women, or by the perception that men will find them more attractive? You may want to watch out for what you dismantle with that chisel........ Posted by: tfreridge at March 2, 2005 02:37 PM Wow, I'm actually going to agree with Thomas ... "Women are the pool of potential sex partners for straight men." ... Seriously, if you're a straight man and don't view women as potential sex partners, you need to have your reflexes if not your pulse checked. Sexuality, next to eating and breathing, is our most primal urge. It becomes sexist when you only view women as potential sex partners or sex objects and nothing else. I personally won't even date a woman unless she is a productive member of society. Just my preference. An example, I have a female friend who is quite attractive and well-endowed. So much so, she causes men to fall over. She never dresses suggestively (she's quite conservative), but she still has this problem with men speaking to her chest and not to her face. I of course quipped in that for the first three years I knew her, I had no clue what she looked like (it was a joke). It's a natural thing for guys to notice these things. If we didn't, the population would plummet. I asked her if she thought I never noticed. She replied she had never thought about it because I treat her with respect and I don't lear. I expect a hell of a lot more out of a woman than a nice butt or great boobs. Please be able to carry a conversation. Please have your own opinions. Please don't bow to me. It's insulting to yourself and to me. My God, most of the women I am attracted to are feminists and they can't stand me because of some of my more conservative views. Now, as for this contest, big deal. I find it ironic that "choice" is such a buzz word in feminist circles, but when a woman "chooses" to take part in something like this contest that is viewed as sexist (and it is), they find themselves in violation of feminist dogma. Does it objectify and promote unreal expectations of women? YES!!! But if a woman doesn't have the sense of self worth to realize she is a beautiful person for who she is, that's her issue. I have only been adding messages to this forum for a short time, but I would say it is filled with women who are sure of themselves and have healthy levels of confidence. Not everyone is like that. While I don't think that women should ever have plastic surgery, to some of them changing things about themselves to more closely fit the perceived ideal and attract a mate is important. Likewise, I know plenty of men who compromise their lives and beliefs to attract a female mate. Hell, I've known guys who have feigned their interest in the feminist cause to get a woman. I think it's all stupid, but I understand why they do it. Posted by: Shawn at March 2, 2005 03:38 PM Tfreridge: I want to free women from patriarchal rules about how they use their sexuality. A bunch of constraints that call women sluts and sinners for sexual exploration are, in my view, the kind of patriarchal rules I'm aiming at. What women do with more freedom is not my call to make. Some may be celibate, some may choose to be much more active than our society accepts, and most will likely find a comfort level in between. My gut tells me that women, given the choice, will have on the aggregate more partner sex if they are free of social opprobrium. If I'm wrong, that's okay too. I reject out of hand the notion that it is sexist or misogynist to speculate that, free of the social construct of "slut," women will want, and will have, more partner sex. You said this: "You infer that without male oversight, women in general would be promiscuous and without shame in their sexuality and behaviour." I think this is the crux of the diagreement. You conclude, as I understand you, that freed from patriarchy, women should not be "promiscuous and without shame." But on my account, the absence of patriarchy means _by_definition_ that women would be "without shame" in their sexuality, whether they choose no partners, one partner or many. The assumption explicit in your comment is that there is something to be ashamed of in one's sexual conduct, that shame has a proper place. I don't think shame has a proper place in sex. I think that adults ought to be free to choose any sexual partners they want, without shame. I focus on women's sexuality because there's a lot more social constraint on it than on men's. Look, obviously, you have some idea of what sexual morality looks like outside of patriarchy -- of what women "should" and "shouldn't" do. What is it? Posted by: Thomas at March 2, 2005 04:01 PM "I want to free women from patriarchal rules about how they use their sexuality." My hero! Posted by: stephen at March 4, 2005 03:44 AM Contests like this will exist as long as... women are willing to participate in them. If they got ne responses, it would all be over pretty quick. Patriachal rules? How about greed? Being willing to make a spectacle of yourself to get a free boob job? Posted by: crella at March 7, 2005 07:36 PM Post a comment Thanks for signing in, .Now you can comment. 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