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Gothamist: MTA and Transit Union Working On a Deal -- ( more | all ) Austin | Boston | Chicago | Houston | London | Los Angeles | Miami | New York City Paris | Philadelphia | San Francisco | Shanghai | Seattle | Toronto | Washington DC 46° Gothamist is a website about New York. More Editor: Jen Chung Publisher: Jake Dobkin Sections Arts+Events Ask Goth Food Forum Interview Sports Weather About Advertising Contact RSS Staff Policies Contribute! Latest tip: The camera on the big ol’ Sprint billboard on W. 42nd & 7th looks like it’s been stalled [ more ] Latest link: Another Suspension for Skeleton Team - New York Times what's a skeleton team? Latest photo: CONTRIBUTE NOW! Maps! Dodgeball Check-ins: Lolita Barcade 12" (12 inch) Upcoming Events: error 1/11 A Party to Benefit Education Through Music! 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Right now, it looks like the workers will get raises of 3%, 4%, and 4% for each year of a three-year contract, and while all workers would need to "contribute toward health insurance," the contract "would not change the existing pension plan or retirement age," according the Daily News' sources . More stats. From the Post - right now, the union doesn't pay anything towards health care premiums, while the MTA's health care costs are about 12% annually. And from the Daily News, an illustration of what the raises will do: "Bus drivers, the largest job title, have a starting salary of about $35,000 a year and a top salary, not including overtime, of about $50,000. Including scheduled overtime, the base pay rises to about $58,500." There does seem to be some dissension within the TWU, because some members feel like they aren't getting enough (though others are just relieved). Mayor Bloomberg's decision to use the word "thuggish" in his "stop illegally striking"-press conferences is still being criticized by the black community , and some historians think the Strike of 2005 will be forgettable . Posted by Jen Chung in MTA , News: NYC , Transit Strike 2005 | [+] add to del.icio.us add to digg add to yahoo related at technorati Email This Entry To: From: Message (optional): TrackBacks TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.gothamist.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/13098 Advertisement: Gothamist Continues Below! Comments Can they at least make the Contract expire in the Spring?? Posted by: S.D. | December 27, 2005 10:27 AM The TWU is getting away with murder, if their pensions aren't on the table then pataki took us all for a ride on a delayed F train. That crack whore Touissant should stop race baiting and act like a union leader instead of grandstanding. next subway ride just spit on these criminals - they have a lot of nerve. Posted by: krackilow | December 27, 2005 10:40 AM Toussaint isn't the pne race-baiting. That honor belongs to the mayor and to commenter Krackilow. "Crack whore?" come on, be reasonable. The one thing you are saying with which i agree with wholeheartedly is that Pataki took us for a ride. The MTA could have easily prevented the strike from happening had Pataki been willing to avert it and force Kalikow to negotiate in good faith. Instead, the governor was off campaigning in New Hamshire. Don't take this out on Toussaint, who was doing what union leaders should: fighting for the workers who elected him. The lion's sharre of the blame here belongs to the MTA. Posted by: zach | December 27, 2005 11:02 AM thug One entry found for thug. Main Entry: thug Pronunciation: 'th&g Function: noun Etymology: Hindi thag, literally, thief : a brutal ruffian or assassin Why do you assume all crack whores to be of a minority; that's pretty racist in my book. The mayor, quite correctly labeled the illegal strikers as thugs because they were extorting the citizens of the city who have NO power to address the situation. Yes the MTA is a crooked commission, and the Governor and our beloved state legislators are to blame for their lack of action - but under no circumstances should TWU 100 be let off the hook for their crimes. BTW - the crack whore reference to Toiussant wasn't intended to be racist; he's just addicted to his own ego and will say or do whatever he can to satisfy it. We here at Gothamist aren't racist, unless of course we're talking about chinks and sarah silverman. Happy Kwanza. Posted by: krackilow | December 27, 2005 11:22 AM I am sure that Mayor Bloomberg would have described the TWU as thugs and the strike as illegal regardless of the orgin of its head. Roger Toussant is Mike Quill, who was a thug and IRA terrorist. Now Toussant had a bad case of Sharpton-itis - ie. he loves to be the centre of attention without caring who gets screwed in the process or little things like facts and a desire to do anything positive for his constituency, as if they get what they want he would loose power. Remember, Roger's illegal strike will cost around $1000 for the workers who struck. Posted by: Toby | December 27, 2005 12:05 PM about the 12% annually: the post says it's increasing by 12% annually. looking at the 04 annual report, the health and welfare costs are 710, which makes it 17% of the combined payroll plus health and welfare costs. Posted by: kenneth | December 27, 2005 12:16 PM The workers voted for the strike. They went on strike knowing full well what they were getting into. It may be more comfortable for you to demonize Toussaint as some sort of demagogue, but the workers i spoke to on the picket lines knew full well what they were doing and why they were doing it. This isn't about Roger Toussaint or Mike Bloomberg, it's about the right to strike and about workers' ability to preserve and extend benefits to new members of unions and new sectors of the labor force in the face of pseudo-public corporate bureaucracies like the MTA which are trying to initiate needless cutbacks despite a billion dollar surplus. That's why this strike happened. As for crack whores: The figure/trope of the crack whore is a deeply racialized one in American popular culture and was a central image in the late 80s rise of a certain iteration of the racialized discourse of criminality which republicans used with such great sucess during, for instance, the 1988 presidential election in the figure of Willie Horton. When people use the phrase "crack whore" in the way that you have, they are tapping into a lexicon of black criminality and wild sexuality which is deeply racist. Applied to Toussaint, it seems to evoke an intensification of the "Welfare Mother" trope which strikes me as profoundly racist. Posted by: zach | December 27, 2005 12:31 PM The strike was illegal because the TWU has a near monopoly of an essential service. If they don't understand the moral difference between a strike in that situation and a strike otherwise, I suggest the Taylor law be amended to require a one-week cutoff of electricity, gas, water, and sewer service, and garbage pick-up to TWU members for each day of a strike. To compare the pay, the average (mean) NYC worker GOT $67,000 in 2004 -- if the high-paid finance and headquarter sectors are excluded, the rest of us EARNED an average of $49,600. So I don't think the TWU members are overpaid for what they do by any means. They just get to work a lot less over a lifetime than the rest of us will be. So striking for 20/50 (and don't let them tell you otherwise) was obscene. Posted by: Larry Littlefield | December 27, 2005 12:40 PM larry - thank you for reminding me what I left out of my original post; amend the Taylor law, yes, yes, yes. I was thinking more along the lines of 1week/day + $1000 as a pre-executed judgement against any union member. Along with their benefits administration package they must sign the execution of judgment in advance. zach-you're a communist. If only NYC Transit & the City of New York could secede from state control, then Bloomberg could have fired those greedy bastards. Have you seen the air of entitlement that these thugs surround themselves with? Posted by: krackilow | December 27, 2005 01:07 PM krackilow - grow up. And while you're doing that, take your head out of your ass. And don't forget to wipe your face. Posted by: ethan | December 27, 2005 01:27 PM Larry, what that says to me is that "the rest of us" need strong unions, not that the TWU should be subject to greater degrees of privation to balance things out. What struck me as "obscene" about this strike was the rhetoric of a multi-millionaire like Mike Bloomberg and a plutocrat's wet dream like George Pataki attacking striking workers for daring to defend their union against cutbacks in a time of plenty. The real thuggery in this mess came from Mike Bloomberg's bully pulpit. Posted by: zach | December 27, 2005 01:39 PM (Larry, what that says to me is that "the rest of us" need strong unions) That would make the TWU dollar go less far, as they would either pay more for things or pay higher taxes. Personally, I'd like to see national health care financing, but that would make everyone with health insurance today slightly worse off. How many care about the uninsured, or have the wisdom to realize they may be the uninsured tomorrow? And regardless, you can't have 12% more health care every year. (not that the TWU should be subject to greater degrees of privation to balance things out.) This was not about greater degrees of privateion. It was about: 1) another pension sweetener in the TWU demanded, to 20/50. There is no way everyone can be supported for one year by others for every year they work, period. 2) who gets stuck with the bill for past sweetener passed outside collective bargaining in 2000, along with Pataki's debt and inadequate employer pension contributions even before 2000. My view: no 20/50, and TWU members should pay for the share of the pension hole caused by the 20/50 sweetener and rising longevity, but not the employer underfunding. Posted by: Anonymous | December 27, 2005 01:49 PM Time of plenty- Hah! It is all about the pensions. They are going to crush us- remember this year is the year the boomers start to retire en mass. And the fact is, if the MTA and City get the union split into two camps- new and old, they will have "won" in that a divided union is pretty much impotent. The workers and their union are greedy and should be fined. The workers have great jobs, with great beneifits and simply want more of the same. I would do the same, and expect to pay the price if my tatics backfired. The mayor and gov should have figured out a way to fire them all. Posted by: Max | December 27, 2005 01:52 PM Anybody watching local government channels, such as channel 25, saw scroll across their screen during the strike: ...contigency plan for illegal strike .... along with the news coverage that didn't discuss the strike as a historical right we have in America as workers to unionize and that it brought us great things such as maternity leave, child labor laws and the like was a detriment. The question isn't why do "they" get pay raises when no-one else does, it is, why aren't the rest of America asking more from their employers? A: everyone believes in a dog eat dog world that doesn't really exist. Not everyone can climb to the top of a corporate ladder, there are far fewer rungs at the top to hold us all. Meanwhile those at the top don't want the hierarchy to change so they try and succeed at pitting each one of us against each other. What was done last week was "illegal" by definition of the law, but so was invading Iraq, and so is the goverments stealing of American taxes to put to use to their own pay raises, and their own republic-based system of a caretaker-gets-more-system. Wake Up Morans! (sic) Posted by: Nick D. | December 27, 2005 02:01 PM hey nick - the definition of the law, IS THE LAW. BTW - the invasion of Iraq, although questionable was legal, and authorized by the UN as well. Strikes and unions are legal, but in the public interest a LAW was passed to protect the citiziens against renegade actions. One last thing; 'their republic based system', is yours too - conceived by the founding fathers, and in theory creates opportunity for all in some form or another. Posted by: i_hate_dummies | December 27, 2005 02:15 PM Fox 5 being Fox, had a big full screen graphic with the words ILLEGAL TRANSIT STRIKE, with the word "ILLEGAL" in red. An image of that an WNYE's crawl can be found here . Posted by: Toby | December 27, 2005 02:24 PM Thanks for the "ILLEGAL" links, couldn't find word about that. It is so interesting to me that they would post that on the scrawls. What does that accomplish? Again more "red meat for the dopes". Look: My point is the legality was a main focus of the coverage. Even when asking pedestrians about the strike, the reporters still asked passerby's, "what do you think about this damn union thing" (basically). There was little to no discourse about this strike, just the Mayor and Governor throwing their weight around, and well they should (it's their job), so is getting the 9-11 funds to NY, so is their job to reduce wasteful spending and to enforce the rights of the people (housing rights, ...). But the power conceivably is in the people, if the people don't act then the caretakers act, if nobody questions authority then we all lose. What is lost is not our support of unions, but our support of the American tapestry / way of life, that we used to be proud of. It's now easier to put down one another than support local mom and pop stores (unless it's your own) etc. Founding fathers knew that this was all doomed but in the same vein exist Americans who fight for their rights, fight for a better life, and few or large in number they are the real power, not your boss, not the big businesses. We have just slowly and more readily allowed them to "take care of us" so we don't have to. Posted by: Nick D. | December 27, 2005 02:36 PM fox was indeed pretty egregious. then again, all their title design is a crime. Posted by: dhex | December 27, 2005 02:36 PM This sentence really stuck out in the NY-1 article - "Meanwhile, the TWU is reportedly considering fining those members who crossed the picket line during the strike." The TWU execs thuggishly give the green light to witch hunting suspect transit workers who think it's a stupid idea to go on strike without realizing any increased gains. Also noticed in one of these articles that anti-free speech activist Norm Siegel is back to lecture the naughty population of new york about the proper use of the english language. He lost the Public Advocate election by a large margin last fall, but feels that he'll still take on the role. Posted by: pugsley | December 27, 2005 02:41 PM hey I lost that election too; if I had won I'd have gone out to the picket lines and shot them all in the back - twice! Posted by: bernie_goetz | December 27, 2005 02:46 PM Post a comment Are you aware of our Comment Policy ? Name: Email Address: URL: Remember personal info? 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Pre-made MySpace Layouts to use on your MySpace Profile Warning : main(inc/head.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 14 Warning : main(inc/head.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 14 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'inc/head.txt' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 14 Warning : main(inc/left.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 21 Warning : main(inc/left.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 21 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'inc/left.txt' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 21 Warning : main(inc/middlead.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 27 Warning : main(inc/middlead.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 27 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'inc/middlead.txt' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 27 MySpace Layouts to use on your MySpace Profile! 3D Abstract Animals Cartoons Cars Flowers Girly Styled Guy Styled Hearts Singers / Artists TV Shows and Movies Misc. Total MySpace Layouts: ( Warning : file(admin/data/news.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 89 Warning : Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 91 0) Warning : main(admin/show_news.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 126 Warning : main(admin/show_news.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 126 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'admin/show_news.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 126 Select the amount of layouts to view 6 10 15 20 MySpace Layouts From MySpaceCity.com Warning : main(inc/right.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 155 Warning : main(inc/right.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 155 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'inc/right.txt' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 155 Warning : main(inc/foot.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 160 Warning : main(inc/foot.txt): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 160 Warning : main(): Failed opening 'inc/foot.txt' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/myspace/public_html/myspace-layouts-10.php on line 160

MySpace: Who Gets The

Techdirt:Doing The Math On MySpace: Who Gets The Failing Grade? techdirt corporate intelligence techdirt wireless techdirt books techdirt reports older stuff submit story past polls about feedback Search Techdirt Try the Advanced Search . Doing The Math On MySpace: Who Gets The Failing Grade? Contributed by Mike on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 11:18AM from the something-doesn't-add-up dept. It seems like MySpace is the media darling lately, following their buyout by News Corp. Even if it's unclear what Rupert Murdoch is going to do with the site, the media loves the idea that it's the new MTV. So, it's really no surprise to see Wired Magazine put out a glowing profile of the company that seems to have tossed any sense of skepticism out the window. In fact, the numbers presented in the story (without sourcing) seem extremely questionable. The article first claims that MySpace received more pageviews than Google in August. That's a surprising statement, and probably should be backed up by a source, but there's none. Then, it claims that MySpace actually has 12% of all ads on the web which seems extremely high -- and again, has no sourcing. Of course, even if we take that at face value (which seems pretty questionable), it's hard to square that with the very next statement (which is the only one that is sourced): "MySpace should gross $30 million to $40 million this year." So, they have more page views than Google, a significant portion of all online advertising... and yet they're going to make a tiny fraction of what Google makes in a single quarter ? Also, by that math (assuming MySpace is really 12% of the market), doesn't it mean that the entire online ad market is equal to somewhere between $250 and $333 million a year? Either someone's done the math wrong or the management at MySpace deserves to be fired for their ad sales deals. Update : Jeff Howe, who wrote the article for Wired Magazine, stops by in the comments to claim that the numbers are legit and are from Nielsen. While we had no doubt he got the numbers from somewhere legit, it still seems worthwhile to question those numbers, as the math makes almost no sense. If you have 12% of all ad inventory online and you're only making $40 million a year, something very big is very wrong. As we said, it may be with MySpace's dealmaking ability or it could be something else -- but some big explanation is clearly missing. << Is This A Class Action Settlement... Or A Marketing Promotion? | Reply | Threaded | MPAA Sues Grandfather For $600k -- While Admitting He Did Nothing Wrong >> Thank you by The Stalwart on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 11:31AM http://www.thestalwart.com I've heard these numbers repeated over and over again, and they never made any sense to me. Thanks for this post; It's time someone punctured the obvious absurdity of this data. [ Reply to this comment ] interesting by drew on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 12:52PM http://www.preschooldays.com I was just arguing with a friend the other day about how much money Tom makes. Apparently we weren't the only ones who couldn't figure it out... [ Reply to this comment ] Re: interesting by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 01:54PM Very good post, they need to be called out on that. This time next year MySpace will likely be in the graveyard right next to Friendster. [ Reply to this comment ] # of ads per page and shitty cpm rates by Gabe on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 04:24PM http://www.sitonmyspace.com/ Take into account the number of ads they hit you with per page, no less than three or four, they might be able to hit that number. The reason their revenue is so low compared to their pageviews is because they get REALLY bad CPM rates for the ads they server due to bad response rates. [ Reply to this comment ] myspace is a shit hole by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 07:07PM http://ly2.com down with myspace [ Reply to this comment ] No Subject Given by A. Guy on Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005 @ 08:52PM I get so frustrated sometimes with them. It seems like I can get into my account maybe only 60%-70% of the time. There has been a pretty large rumour floating around that in 6 months or so they are going to start charging people. Or perhaps have a premium subscription which will allow you extra things for your profile and ad-free. I dont deal with it very much so I could give a rats ass what they do.... [ Reply to this comment ] Re: No Subject Given by JaeWu on Thursday, November 3rd, 2005 @ 06:47AM Not to toot any horns, but a friend of mine has put stake in a different online "friend" place. www.multiply.com gives you alot more functionality over myspace. To this day I can't see what the big deal is with myspace. It fails to work 50% of the time and the overall appeal of the site is sloppy :) [ Reply to this comment ] Re: # of ads per page and shitty cpm rates by Robert Young on Thursday, November 3rd, 2005 @ 07:13AM http://gigaom.com/2005/08/06/why-murdoch-bought-my Gabe nails it on the head. Community sites that rely mostly on user-generated content for placement inventory are not trusted by advertisers, so the CPMs are very low. A good rule of thumb is that the ad rates will be a least an order of magnitude lower than normal, even for extraordinarily popular sites such as MySpace. This, BTW, can prove to be the achilles heel of community-driven Web 2.0 models... it is imperative that advertisers get comfortable with the notion of placing ads next to totally uncontrollable/uneditable content. [ Reply to this comment ] Wired Defense by mkam on Thursday, November 3rd, 2005 @ 07:35AM I asked Jeff to support his assertions in the article and this is his reply. I hope that he doesn't mind his defense posted to some of the attacks on the article. On 11/3/05, Howe,Jeff wrote: Thanks for your email. Both of these statistics -- that i myself found difficult to believe -- come from Nielsen. We don't as a general rule mention sources as it takes away from the flow of a magazine feature, but we do, as a rule, make sure we are right. I would never go to press -- and Wired's rigorous fact check department would never allow me to -- without having all our facts in order. fwiw, MySpace is able to serve so many ads because beyond receiving so much traffic, it also is incredibly sticky -- i'm quoting from memory here, but i believe the average user spends something like 5 hours a month on the site. again, that's from Nielsen NetRatings. [ Reply to this comment ] Figures used in my article by Jeff Howe on Thursday, November 3rd, 2005 @ 07:46AM Wired does not make it regular practice to source our statistics within the context of a feature story. However, my articles -- as well as everything else published in the magazine -- are rigorously fact checked. In other words, we make it regular practice to be right. In this instance, the pageview statistic came from Nielsen NetRatings, and the number of ads served came from the Nielsen AdRelevance figure. [ Reply to this comment ] Yesterday Wired.... today News.com. Ok... what's t by Jorge Rodriguez - RedPlaneta on Thursday, November 3rd, 2005 @ 07:55AM http://www.redplaneta.com Yesterday we had the Wired article about MySpace. Today News.com has a note about MySpace creating it's own record label by Nov 15. Uhm... I love the Wired and News.com guys, but this seems like an articulated PR move. IHMO. [ Reply to this comment ] Re: myspace is a shit hole by Kendra on Wednesday, November 16th, 2005 @ 07:36AM www.myspace.com/oxymoronic_kendra Oh sad, I really like myspace. [ Reply to this comment ] Myspace by Firezip on Thursday, November 24th, 2005 @ 09:21AM http://cybernet.sg5.info myspace is REALLY over-rated, and tom has alot of security holes and glitches in myspace structure. also i can't wait till it falls [ Reply to this comment ] Myspace and Google by Nick on Thursday, November 24th, 2005 @ 02:43PM It seems to be ovious that myspace is not working as a monopoly, first it fails to break one of the very most important rules which is profit maximization. The whole truth of why Google and Myspace are able to harnest this market is that there is very little marginal cost. But this is soon to be exploited because new firms will seek to grab a chunk of the profits that are being made and thus drowning the market, demand will fall, and zero economic profits will be made. If Google wants to control the market they should've bought myspace as soon as they heard about it. Now they have alot of catching up to do. [ Reply to this comment ] Re: Myspace and Google by bay area california on Thursday, November 24th, 2005 @ 06:04PM you got it on the head....but in the long run, economic profits, according to theory, always equal zero..... [ Reply to this comment ] No Subject Given by Taylor on Tuesday, November 29th, 2005 @ 04:27PM Being a journalist, this is facinating. Wethter or not the reporter said the numbers were legitimate from Neilsen, we can assume the reporter is not legitimate. It truely does not take high intelligence to figure out that those numbers are absurd. Choosing a bad source makes you look just a retarded as messing up the information yourself. [ Reply to this comment ] Myspace by PJ Brunet on Tuesday, November 29th, 2005 @ 10:24PM http://www.knowingart.com/ With students, Myspace could be more popular than email right now... in a college town at least, you'll hear about and see Myspace everywhere. One of the reasons why it works so well for communications--it gives you various options for authorizing incoming messages, something that email and IM lack... Maybe guys don't care so much about authorization, but girls do. I've been online for 20+ years and I've seen a lot--Myspace is no joke. [ Reply to this comment ] Re: Thank you by kelly clarkson on Wednesday, November 30th, 2005 @ 09:07AM poop what the heck r u stalkin about ?.. hey my name is kelly clarkson i think i dont understand i meen what r u talking about like everything u said didnt make sence well ok love u ~*~*~*kelly*~*~*~*~ [ Reply to this comment ] Re: No Subject Given by brooke on Wednesday, November 30th, 2005 @ 12:16PM for real them stupid asses!! theres an error almost every time i try to go on and if they start charging people thier wont be barely anyone!! [ Reply to this comment ] Myspace Rox and your all losers by Kendra on Thursday, December 1st, 2005 @ 11:37AM www.myspace.com/oxymoronic_kendra Well, you guys. Yeah, there might be a few glitches and stuff, but its the funnest sight i have ever been to in my life. You obviously dont know something good when you see it. I have met so many friends on myspace, and I get to personalize my profile and let people know who I am. I get tp play my own music and put up pictures and just plain have fun. Its the best way me and all of my friends keep in touch and you guys are fucking retarded making a stupid forum about myspace. i mean, seriously. You must have nothing better to do than bitch about stupid shit and I think you need to grow up and just leave it alone. If you dont like myspace then dont go to it. If you do, then great. But that like me bitching about the colors that google uses. You guys get a fucking clue and don't waste your damn time on this stuff. kendra [ Reply to this comment ] Re: interesting by Anonymous Coward on Friday, December 2nd, 2005 @ 01:39PM fdsasdasdad [ Reply to this comment ] No Subject Given by Anonymous Coward on Friday, December 2nd, 2005 @ 01:40PM shut up idiots im on it. [ Reply to this comment ] Re: myspace is a shit hole by alex on Monday, December 12th, 2005 @ 08:59AM www.myspace.com/leximarie09 i like myspace. u need to shut ur face. lol [ Reply to this comment ] Re: Thank you by alex on Monday, December 12th, 2005 @ 09:01AM www.myspace.com/leximarie09 wow u r really stupid the ppl that leave comments r really dumb [ Reply to this comment ] Re: Myspace Rox and your all losers by ana on Monday, December 19th, 2005 @ 03:38PM i hate you [ Reply to this comment ] Why do you still exist? by Minion on Friday, December 23rd, 2005 @ 01:28PM /././././http://www.binrev.com If there was a higher concentration of emos in one place, we could put them on an island, then nuke it. "Kendra", as you call yourself, you should really consider not using a coagulant the next time you cut yourself. Maybe you'll bleed enough to die! Then your pitiful, black soul will find its resting place in an eternal emo hellfire. You said you like guys who dress in black? Why not guys who are charred black from BURNING ALIVE! What's this, are you going to cry? It's fitting of an emo to walk around with a composition notebook, because they're all "amazing writers with inspired thoughts on the ordering of english words to form poetry worthy of the blackest and most emo person around" In closing, I'll introduce you to: http://emosong.ytmnd.com Please, get a life, or take your own. The world is better off that way. [ Reply to this comment ] Related Links Wired buyout unclear a glowing profile of the company single quarter Related Articles More by Mike Features Techdirt Corporate Intelligence Read about Techdirt Corporate Intelligence in CIO Magazine Like what you see on Techdirt? Get your own enterprise blog for your company, complete with all the news, summaries, and analysis you need from Techdirt's staff of expert analysts. Let us find, filter, summarize, and analyze the news for you. Sign up now! 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